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Post by Samantha Jean on Dec 28, 2006 23:22:34 GMT -5
Anyone else read this vampire romance series besides me?
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Post by MayanApocolypse on Dec 29, 2006 1:55:41 GMT -5
Nope. What's the mythos style? I'm a fan of the Anita Blake series, myself, but Laurell K Hamilton. But that's vamp and lycan. Wereswans... weird.
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Post by Spinner on Dec 29, 2006 7:38:44 GMT -5
Vampires don't burn in the sun- they shimmer. Most vampires have a supernatural ability besides super speed and such. The is because whatever ability they had when they were mortal (able to tell what people were thinking) is heightened because of the vampirism. Gah. I can't remember what else. Well, in the sequel, this one vamp can torture people just by looking at them. She's super awesome. Wow. I didn't say that. But in it's sequel werewolves don't change during the full moon. Rather, it's whenever they get royally pissed off. I heart the sequel. It made me laugh. Like when Bella threw herself off that cliff just so she could hear Edward's voice. Oh- and the whole motorcycle thing. I would never throw myself off a cliff just to hear a hallucination of some guy....
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Post by Hpfreakout on Dec 29, 2006 13:19:32 GMT -5
Twilight *heart*. Edward is a mary-sue/gary-stu, which is slightly annoying, but I still love the book. It's amusing, slightly romance-like, but still amusing and a pretty good book.
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Post by Spinner on Dec 29, 2006 13:23:56 GMT -5
Twilight *heart*. Edward is a mary-sue/gary-stu, which is slightly annoying, but I still love the book. It's amusing, slightly romance-like, but still amusing and a pretty good book. Please explain how wanting to rip apart your girlfriend every time she gets less than a paper-cut is a quality of a perfect character.
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Post by MayanApocolypse on Dec 30, 2006 0:43:51 GMT -5
Doesn't mean anything. Anita is soooo a Mary-Sue in the Anita Blake series, but she's minorly self-loathing and nearly gets people killed because of her morality code. Like, every guy she's with is practically walking on eggshells trying not to piss her off.
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Post by Spinner on Dec 30, 2006 11:45:42 GMT -5
Doesn't mean anything. Anita is soooo a Mary-Sue in the Anita Blake series, but she's minorly self-loathing and nearly gets people killed because of her morality code. Like, every guy she's with is practically walking on eggshells trying not to piss her off. Then I wouldn't consider her a perfect character, but I guess it's your opinions.
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Post by Hpfreakout on Dec 30, 2006 15:15:03 GMT -5
Just put Edward through the mary-sue test. Actually, I'll do it for you. I'll edit this post in a minute with the results. Edit: Guess what? He got a 50. Below is what the test says for 50 and above: "50+ Kill it dead." You can always take the test and see if you get a different score. Some of the things I may have checked might be because I felt that was how they happened and since we're not the author, we can't answer all of the questions. www.springhole.net/quizzes/marysue.htm
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Post by MayanApocolypse on Dec 30, 2006 16:26:47 GMT -5
Doesn't mean anything. Anita is soooo a Mary-Sue in the Anita Blake series, but she's minorly self-loathing and nearly gets people killed because of her morality code. Like, every guy she's with is practically walking on eggshells trying not to piss her off. Then I wouldn't consider her a perfect character, but I guess it's your opinions. I've gone by the test, myself. I started doing that after everyone complained that I'd created a Mary-Sue character, even though she wasn't perfect. Just because I had one chapter from the main male love interest's point of view. I mean, when you have your initial crush or when you first fall in love, your view on the person is perfect, isn't it? Sorry, getting into rant territory here. But I didn't think that simply perfection made a Mary-Sue character.
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Post by Hpfreakout on Dec 30, 2006 19:05:08 GMT -5
Mary-Sues aren't just perfect characters. They're perfect characters, cliches, and any other characters that annoy the readers because they're not realistic. They can have flaws, but the flaws aren't enough to make the character realistic. I mean, Edward just like randomly comes in and saves Bella multiple times and his only flaw is something all vampires have. According to the wikipedia article on this, common Mary-Sue traits are exceptionally attractive, unusual eye/hair color, being a rare species, tragic backgrounds, and are frequently praised by other characters. Quite a lot of these are traits Edward has. Wikipedia ArticleI also go by the test. I put all of my characters through a Mary-Sue test and if they get like over 35 or something I get rid of them.
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Post by MayanApocolypse on Dec 30, 2006 20:17:53 GMT -5
The problem with that is that there are more Mary Sues out there than you can count, when you go by that. Does anyone really want to read about a girl who just sits around, playing video games and goes to school? There has to be something special or unusual about them. For instance, I didn't necessarily create Kaida (a character in my story that was named a Mary Sue, and thus "unreadable") to be perfect or out of the ordinary. She was a pureblood who liked muggle things, and she was specifically written to be a match for Snape. No other reason. When I came up with her concept it was a little weird because I was reading a bunch of Severitus Challenge fics and listening to Lain CDs at the same time. Heck, she had a standard White Wolf-style Character sheet to make sure she was balanced. But regardless, she was a Mary Sue, and it seemed like there was nothing I could do to change it without destroying my concept of Snape.
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Post by Hpfreakout on Dec 31, 2006 9:49:48 GMT -5
I'm not saying that all Mary-sues are evil. In original fiction, a lot of characters are mary-sues, and Edward is one of them. It's still better for a character to not be a mary-sue because it makes the story more believable. A lot of Twilight wasn't realistic, which prevented me from likeing the book that much.
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